Friday, June 27, 2014

plasmacam breakaway mount

Hypertherm designed a break away mount years ago but never Patented it.

That's not unusual but allows others to take the design and manufacture the item as their own. Especially if that person lives in another country. This same person once cried about others taking his design over the grates on the plasmacam and selling the plans? Except this person didn't Patent his grate idea so it is open to anyone to take it and run. Exactly what he did with Hypertherm idea. Plus it helped that he had a insider from Hypertherm on his side.  If you look deeper you might figure out that the insider actually talked the out of country person to manufacture this torch mount that has magnets and if it contacts raised metal it disconnects and save the torch tip.
Only thing is the torch continues to fire which is bad for the tip, possibly burning the tip out.
If you learn Height Control, you won't need this mount as the torch flows with the metal even if it's raised.
There is a new product that blows the Snap n cut away as it shuts your machine off and shuts the torch off!
It's also Made in USA!
The Snap n Cut sells overseas or he says his American supplier in NH, is the Hypertherm insider we all know and trust! If I owned a company he worked for I wouldn't trust him, but that's just me!
This new system is: http://m.plasmatorchprotectionsystem.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fplasmatorchprotectionsystem.com%2F&dm_redirected=true

You'll love this as you can actually walk away from your table as it shuts everything off!
Not like the Snap n cut which continues to allow torch to fire until you return, this plasma torch protection system has shut it all off safely!

I would say that if I had it to do over, I would have stayed with the Hand torch.
By converting to machine torch was a waste of money, and then adding the Snap n cut was a bigger waste!
I own the gotorch and kept the hand torch.
Put your money on something else than a machine torch and snap n cut,
If it was such a good idea then Plasmacam would be using the Machine torch and making their own snap n cut as it's not patented!
Even this new grate system, if it was better they would switch, but they still build it the way it's been built for years.

Sunday, April 21, 2013

Plasmacam

I am a member to quite a few CNC forums where they talk about metal fabricating, welding and plasma cutting. Every forum has a place where they review different plasma cutting tables and some give their advice on the table that they own and operate.
Many ask if the Plasmacam table is a quality table and how it compares to others similar in size?
For what I know being a member on plasmacams owner community and PlasmaPi,g there we are privileged to have a Plasmacam Tech "George" offer advice and answer questions.
Then there is "Mick" ( Benderart) a table owner who like us all had to learn      to use the table and is now the Moderator on both forums. "Jim Colt" a Hypertherm rep and a very good one at that has saved many people on many cnc forums.
There are a few more but these 3 seem to be on some of the same forums I belong to and besides Jim Colt give you the impression they have nothing to do with Plasmacam!

When I want to know or compare tables I don't need the sales people giving advice as we know what their going to say! Give them a job with the competitors later and their version to what table is better will change. Mick makes an accessorie that Hypertherm developed but never patented it so he was able to take that design and produce it without breaking any laws. It is a nice product and one that I myself purchased. One could easily make one similar or an exact duplicate as he has done if the person has access to a small milling machine.
So with his having a monetary product made just for the plasmacam table I would say his opinion is biasis! And being the moderator for both of Plasmacam's forums that also makes him partial to that brand!

Plasmacam has the Best sales videos!
Except they are full of crap also!
One person writing a reveiw on the web site states that in the 3 months he has owned the table, he has made more money than all his time as a lawyer?
Where was he practicing law?

Not one of thes people writing reviews on the Gotorch web site, or Plasmacam's web site and Samsons web site have ever joined any of the Owner forums?
Everyone was able to figure out how to operate the table without ever needing any help, but the rest of us joined up and were frustrated not being able to understand the video manual, or how to wire the torch etc.?
These people all have businesses also, but none have anything listed on the web?
Almost everyone has a web site today or are beginning to do so, but these successful business owners don't?
None of Plasmacam business have a listing with the BBB ( better Buiness Bureau)
Its not a requirement, but shows good faith.
A quick check with the BBB shows up some unhappy table owners but the BBB can't help them.

This is just a quick reminder for those thinking of sinking money they don't have into any of these tables without doing some serious investigating!
I still feel the tables are a quality product.
I don't feel the investment is worth it for a startup company.
By the time you purchase the table, the extra software needed, a refridgerated air dryer, plasma cutter, large size air compressor, wiring for all the equipent and an exhaust fan with duct work your invested for quite a bit of money!

Good Luck!

Thursday, December 27, 2012

GoTorch - PlasmaCam Review

I owned a DHC Plasmacam table but sold it to purchase PlasmaCam's larger Samson 5' x 10' table.
The Gotorch is PlasmaCam's smaller table 2' x 2'. And YES all 3 tables are manufactured by Plasmacam, but they want people to beleive they are not? Even Shop Outfitters is connected with the PlasmaCam. All located in Colorado and American owned and made.
Why they want buyers to think they are all seperate is unknown, but maybe they feel its a better sales pitch? I can't imagine who would really care as long as the product is quality, and my personal opinion is that they do make quality equipment and their new software, DesignEdge is top notch!
They do have their faults as all companies do but I really don't care for deception!
When GoTorch first came out the website listed positive buyers and all had only good things to say, and I really don't expect to have them list a unhappy customer! Except the table hadn't even reached the market and these claims of how easy it is, and the person wished they knew about this before sinking their money into a competitors table that they couldn't learn to operate, and the GoTorch has already paid for itself the first week they owned it?
After googling the peoples names and those listing a business, not one person came up nor did their business? Ironically the names did sound familiar as they had names within Plasmacam?
Plasmacam has one of the best sales marketing out there, so really didn't expect any less from GoTorch either!
Why does this matter? Well for the new person especially in this economy where money is short and almost any person unable to find employment will venture into trying their hand at owning their own business, I feel its necessary to inform them what I learned from my business adventure with Plasmacam. Though I purchased my tables used except for the Gotorch, I didn't feel that the warranty justified paying full price! Your support is through Plasmacam Owners Community forum or PlasmaPig which just recently was transferred to Plasmacam, and prior to that was owner operator owned and policed. Only owners of these 3 tables are allowed to join and the people connected are very helpful. There is an awful lot of people who also post on youtube and their videos can help out a lot. This brings me back to GoTorch, where your only support is the forums. Supposedly to keep cost down. Since I have been on these forums for a few years now the people who are giving the GoTorch rave reveiws on their website have never signed onto the forums? All names of owners are listed so it wasn't rocket science these are not real owners! My owning 2 tables prior still didn't help me with the new GoTorch as the software that it comes with for the basic price is junk! So the few people who do own the GoTorch have signed onto the forums and have been asking questions of how to get it to cut?
And other questions related to that table? Most are confused that there are something like 4 different verions of DesignEdge software, and you only get BASIC DesignEdge unless you upgrade to other versions. But on the website they say for the sale price its all you need right out of the box? I  questioned their saying all you need is the table and a plasma cutter?
Let me tell you it is just the start of what you need!
You will need an Air compressor large enough to keep up with the demand of cutting, and a Refrigerated air dryer to keep the cutting air dry so your consumables last longer!
And plasma consumables, especially fine cut, ohmic cap etc. A good ground rod driven into the ground close to where you set the table up.
A good size downdraft exhaust fan or water table.
220 volt line or two and some 110 volt lines. A basic computer with a parallel port.
Then what I have been reading is almost everyone ends up purchasing the upgrade to Advanced designEdge software, that will add about $2,000.00 to cost of table. PlasmaCams old software 3.11 was better than the Basic DesignEdge software so if you could get a hold of an old version you might be happy with that version as some still are using it and never upgraded to even basic!
I will say that their video manual is getting better but not yet to have any new owners be able to operate out of box without asking questions on the forum?
Almost all new owners need help even after watching the video and some give up and sell their table?
That's who I bought my tables from!
Then almost everyone including myself get sold on how easy the sales video makes it look!
An the dollar signs in your eyes on all those neat artsy craft objects you'll be making?
Except every craft show you go to has someone already selling these art craft items already and now i see them from China and are already painted etc.
Oh yeah, I forgot, you will need grinders, sanders, paint and paint guns to get your item looking good? And most will need some way to bend their items or tack them together like welding etc.
Then you realize you will need to pay to get a spot at a vendors like area so the public can see your stuff and have to sit there while they pass by for the cheaper junk!
Upon realizing that you branch out to making parts for people or mass producing parts if your lucky to get a contract?
I am not here to discourage you but inform you that they are trying to convince you to buy their product but if you were able to visit the forums prior to purchasing you might think otherwise, but that is one reason why only owners are allowed? To be fair, they did allow anyone but most people asked the same question over and over, is plasmacam worth it....and instead of doing a search where it was answered already, everyone new would just ask and it got to be old quick! Especially back when the forums were run by owners and not the company.
So I have to honestly say that if I was to buy a table again it would be the 4' x 4' DHC2 table and get the Advanced everything software. The Pipecutter is OK and so is the 3D but not really necessary or a big ticket selling item maker. For me since I have the Advanced software total package I can use that software with the GoTorch so its just a smaller table for me than the samson, and if needed I could take it with me if needed. Not easily, as it would still need a large capacity air compressor, air dryer and plasma cutter along with a 220 volt generator!
There was a question posted on the forums asking who uses the plasmacam for business or just hobby and almost all said hobby. Bought as a business but soon realized there wasn't a need for this.
Most large companies have the money to purchase a professional table or a laser or water jet!
Just do some research prior to buying especially because this is a big investment and make sure there is a need for what you plan on cutting?
If you do decide it is what you want then my personal feelings is the PlasmCam table is well designed and the Advanced DesignEdge software is worth the price!
Just be prepared for a long learning curve even if your computer savvy and know CNC, as most people think its as easy as the sales video and it isn't!
Sales won't be very helpful either as what I have read on the forums from new owners is they will just sell you the table and not advise you if paying more to get the better software, or the larger table, but they just want you to buy anything and will worry about your complaints later..
My advice if buying one is to pay with credit card even if you have the money, as your credit card will fight for you if there is any issues after paying.
Like any major purchase and in any business, get it in writing your concerns and later it won't be "I didn't tell you that?"
Example: Ask in writing if all you will need is a plasma cutter? If they write yes, and later you need to buy an air compressor etc., then you can return the table for a full refund for them lying to you and your credit card company will do all the fighting for you..
Get it all in writing like you would when you do your first business transaction making something!

In closing, there will be some saying that I just like stirring up crap? I wish I would have been able to read someones view on this prior to buying my first table! Even though I didn't pay full price I wouldn't have bought it. I paid less than $7,000 for the 4 x 4 with a Hypertherm 1000 and over $1,000 worth of Plasmacam's art discs and free shipping to my house! After a year owning it I still could not operate it to its fullest especially the DHC or digital height control?
I sold it and bought a used Samson 5 x 10 for $7,000.00 an extra controller and cables from a company whose employees could not figure out how to operate it?
So I don't have nearly what others have invested and if need to could sell the Samson 5 x 10 easily and get my money back.
I just this years learned how to operate it to its full potential and can say it is an awesome table when you know how to use it! Being retired its not there to make money for me to live off of, but have not yet made enough money to even pay off what I paid for it? I would be really upset if I would have paid $16,999.99 full price and not been able to pay it off yet.
That is why I feel it necessary to tell you to make sure there is a need for what you intend to make?
Good Luck...
I Will answer questions but must tell you that I am not always on my computer as I enjoy doing other things also.